Curse

Esoteric Mesmer · Jan 24, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

First off let my start by saying that I do think Ursan is a noob skill. It takes no skill whatsoever to use, and anyone can run it. I have not even bothered to do the quest to get the skill with any of my characters because it is a waste of time, and I know I would never use it.

So why do I support Ursan? The reason for this is its simplicity, which makes it ideal for 50%-75% of the Guild Wars playing population. Let me further explain this with an example of the typical human Guild Wars group I tend to get in with my Mesmer or necro. *Disclaimer- These are NOT the builds I run, nor am criticizing any particular class, just the way people manage to screw those classes up* Here is the typical human group I seem to end up in when none of my friends/guildies are on, and I have to find a random group for a mish.

The group finally zones into to the mission after waiting 20 mins for someone to figure out their build. Then after another 5 mins of waiting for that one person to load, the w/mo is itching for a fight. So what does that sword wielding w/mo cast before going into battle? Mending! Yes, our faithful tank put on mending and rushed in eager to start doing what he believes to be some devastating AoE damage with hundred blades. But wait! The ele just ran ahead of the tank because the only elite they have is double dragon. So now one of the monks with his black obby armor and chaos gloves (how unique!) spends all his energy healing the ele, as the tank dies he starts screaming at the obby monk. However, the obby monk is pinging his energy at 1 of 23, and has somehow managed to lower his total energy. Now, you might ask what the other monk is doing while this is going on. While to my horror he just cast SoJ on himself, and with his beloved totem axe/grim cesta rushes into battle, not taking into account that unlike the trolls outside of droks, these enemies have enchant removals. All of his 55 health doesn’t last long, and he is taking a dirt nap with the tank and ele.

So my point here is Ursan compensates for the previously stated stupidity that is prevalent in Guild wars. Ursan allows those that have no clue whatsoever, to not drive the more experienced players insane. Its inherent simplicity makes it so when I want to do DOA with my monk, I can, because I know those 5 human ursans have less of a chance of screwing up with their premade build. Ursan has personally made my life a lot easier, because it compensates for stupidity. So I am in strong support Ursan not be nerfed, and if anything made more powerful.

Those in support of Ursan (for others) feel free to add your thougts.

Lord Darksoul · Jan 24, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Guild team may be better for you. PuGs usually end up this way.

Esoteric Mesmer · Jan 24, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

I would like to get into an active PvE guild, but I only play consistently 3 to 4 months of the year, and I have no desire to pvp whatsoever, so I am not that appealing of a candidate to the good guilds

Fern Burntfist · Jan 24, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

that really is the worst PuG you can get 0.o

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 24, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Stop With The Red Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Gored Engine Going Ursan Threads.

Gtfo.

Pwned 1337 · Jan 24, 2008, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Gee Tee Ef O

isildorbiafra · Jan 24, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

What is it with all these XP players putting ursan blessing down. Lets be honest 99.9% of the so called XP players got they'r so called exclussive build from someone/ somewhere else. But for the 0.1% mathematical genius that invented those builds, using ursan is no different than using any other build!

I do smite runs in the UW. Yes, i use a w/rit vengefull build. I have tweeked it to the point that i dont have to use more than two skills at any given time during the entire run; and my health never drops bellow 600! YES, I can bake a cake and farm ectos at the same time!

So tell me, whats the difference in using ursam blessing to using all those other premium builds that only 0.1% of players should get credit for inventing.

Bottom line its a game; and if you like using ANY skill, use it! As long as you are having fun!

No, i'm not a noob. I am currently running a "people know me" title and am well on my way to getting the next one.

.....and yes i use ursan all the time. I'd rather run it with heros and henchies than have to deal with the above mentioned.

I say god bless the Ursan Blessing! Hands off! Dont fix it, its NOT broken!

Numa Pompilius · Jan 24, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Ursan is skill-less crap whose power is determined solely by amount of title-grind, and as such in conflict with the stated ideology of Guildwars: skill over time. But that's not the only reason to dislike it.

The problem with all the norn skills is that they have no trade-off: there is no downside to them. Presumably the loss of the other skills and the energy degen were supposed to be the trade-offs, but that doesn't work. All you have to do is equip a zealous weapon and you'll not run out of energy, and the only other skills needed are healing skills (which is why there's still need for monks). Apart from lack of self-healing the norn blessings have no weakness or counter, so there's no need for any other skills.

To make matters worse, this lack of trade-off means that the more ursans there are in the group, the better: adding more copies means better damage mitigation through knockdown and more dps. Positive feedback loops like that are a sure sign of a broken skill - a well-designed skill is one where adding more copies of the skill has diminishing returns.

Now, if Ursan at least was fun to play that might be a mitigating factor - but it's not. It's target closest and cycle all skills without thought or planning as soon as they recycle, and that's it. You do not have to time ursan attacks, or put any thought into which order you do them, or anything. Target nearest and cycle skills, that's all. Looking at the screen is optional.

Do I run it? Yes, because it's so enormously better than any combination other skills despite the fact I only play with H/H and there's only one copy of Ursan in the team! If I could put Ursan on all my heroes I would - there's no other skill I could give them which might be better.

That a 5+3 ursan team can steamroll anything doesn't make the skill any less broken, it shows just how broken it is.

So how would I fix ursan?
I'd fix it by making the knockdown cost 10 energy. That's all it'd take to remove its godliness.

capblye · Jan 24, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I concur with the OP and isildorbiafra ... Ursan is a blessing in many ways.
I too am a somewhat experiences player, and i enjoy the challenge of modifying buillds to suit an area, coming up with skill sets to offset the enemy.
However, not everyone enjoys that as i do.
Some folks want a catch all build that easily gets them through (what they feel) is a hard area.
Ursan is that build.
In short, GW is a game that is supposed to be fun for everyone.
My idea of fun may not be the same as the next person.
If Ursan provides them that fun, then so be it.
I just dont understand the negative attitudes from so many "experienced" players.
Why do y'all even care about Ursan?
You dont use it ... great for you.
Why want to Nerf it?
Do you really feel slighted in some way because some noob ran the same dungeon you did with no skill whatsoever?
Who cares? the noob bought the game same as you.
Take pride in the fact that you ran it with a well thought out build and tactical skill.
That should be all the recompense you need.
Leave Ursan alone.

Kyrein · Jan 24, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

/signed
it CANNOT be used against you, so what the HELL are you complaining about? somebody is not gonna come up and bash you with it in pvp and ruin your game are they?
it makes PvE more achievable for a lot of people, you dont use it so why do you want to ruin it for other people? the name for that is GRIEFING
are you a GRIEFER?

Proff · Jan 24, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

If you still haven't noticed Ursan is a PvE skill, meaning it can ONLY be used in PvE where most people go to have fun, not compete. If you don't like Ursan then go to PvP where it can't be used and you can go and run your uber build that makes you feel special, but we all know that everyone that crisizes ursan doesn't pvp and if they do they're using a pvxwiki build in ra. So just because there's finally something casual to run for those that can't spend hours thinking of a build just to spend an hour and a half beating a dungeon doesn't mean it should be "fixed" so that no one uses it anymore.

And yes, if theres an oppertunity for me to join an ursan pug and beat an area with no problems I will, because well when was the last time you've found a balanced group for anything hm outside of the elite areas?

greywolf31 · Jan 24, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I also concur, I think it is good for the general morale of the players who would otherwise be discouraged. Also a blessing to those experienced players having to PUG... a lot less aggravation there as well.

I use it as a fallback skill if I get in over my head. I try and get by on what I have built in my skillbar first, then if I over aggro or other such idiocy that I am prone to have happen, I use it, then Totem of Man after.

(Kinda fun to pretend my Mesmer is a Tank from time to time too...)

I just started using it once after I heard how they fixed the bug that UB made you lose a temporary skill, to see if it was fixed, and found it could be used as a way to keep an Arcane Echo'd Skill on my skillbar, until I zoned... they fixed that too... LOL

As capblye said these ppl bought the game same as us, and not everyone is of the same calibre of play-level.
Just be thankful it is PvE only...

Also, it seems to have brought about a resurgence of ppl playing in DoA...

Look, more ppl having Fun.

Animalistic Lust · Jan 24, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

the entire point of his thread is how ursan makes the game easier for experienced players because it helps to stop what happened to him....i think that constitutes that most of you missed the point of this thread!

ensoriki · Jan 24, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esoteric Mesmer

First off let my start by saying that I do think Ursan is a noob skill. It takes no skill whatsoever to use, and anyone can run it. I have not even bothered to do the quest to get the skill with any of my characters because it is a waste of time, and I know I would never use it.

No skill and minimal skill are different.

Quote:

The group finally zones into to the mission after waiting 20 mins for someone to figure out their build. Then after another 5 mins of waiting for that one person to load, the w/mo is itching for a fight. So what does that sword wielding w/mo cast before going into battle? Mending! Yes, our faithful tank put on mending and rushed in eager to start doing what he believes to be some devastating AoE damage with hundred blades. But wait! The ele just ran ahead of the tank because the only elite they have is double dragon. So now one of the monks with his black obby armor and chaos gloves (how unique!) spends all his energy healing the ele, as the tank dies he starts screaming at the obby monk. However, the obby monk is pinging his energy at 1 of 23, and has somehow managed to lower his total energy. Now, you might ask what the other monk is doing while this is going on. While to my horror he just cast SoJ on himself, and with his beloved totem axe/grim cesta rushes into battle, not taking into account that unlike the trolls outside of droks, these enemies have enchant removals. All of his 55 health doesn’t last long, and he is taking a dirt nap with the tank and ele.

That same Warrior will run into battle the same as he always did just with Ursan Blessing, he's not any better, and he may do even worse because he does not have teh mending.

Also I don't know what kind of quality pug your taking.
I've never had a pug like that, EVER, before and after Ursan.
The only excuse for having a team like this In 08 is because you did not ask them to ping skills.

Quote:

So my point here is Ursan compensates for the previously stated stupidity that is prevalent in Guild wars. Ursan allows those that have no clue whatsoever, to not drive the more experienced players insane. Its inherent simplicity makes it so when I want to do DOA with my monk, I can, because I know those 5 human ursans have less of a chance of screwing up with their premade build. Ursan has personally made my life a lot easier, because it compensates for stupidity. So I am in strong support Ursan not be nerfed, and if anything made more powerful.

If ursan Gets more powerful YOU will be the one who will not find groups.
Everyone with Eotn is going to Pass your ass by because your the weak nub without Ursan to them.
.[/QUOTE]

I rather Raven/Wolfen Get Buffed.
Any Bear without the name Panda attached to it is boring.

Ursan wants to say fine, also why not bring Ursan?

With Ursan your essentially still bringing 2 skill bars.

A complete skill bar with Ursan for the elite
and then Ursan's skill bar.

If pugs are as bad as you say (God I must be lucky) Then sure let it stay >.>

Esoteric Mesmer · Jan 24, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Yes, many of you did not fully read the first post. I am all for Ursan, I don't use it, but I think its a great skill for some of the other players.

So lets please be a little better informed before we post...

unienaule · Jan 24, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Yeah, that must be it, all of us good PvE people must not have noticed it was just a PvE only skill, our bad.

Pyro maniac · Jan 24, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

it's fine
Encourages PUG and let people actually complete the campaign

Esoteric Mesmer · Jan 24, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

That same Warrior will run into battle the same as he always did just with Ursan Blessing, he's not any better, and he may do even worse because he does not have teh mending.

Mending is a terrible skill

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Also I don't know what kind of quality pug your taking.
I've never had a pug like that, EVER, before and after Ursan.
The only excuse for having a team like this In 08 is because you did not ask them to ping skills..

That whole speech on my pug was a dramitization of how bad players in Guild wars can be. It was to illustrate a point, not to tell of an actual event. I didn't think I needed to clarify that, but I guess I do. And people do ping builds, but no matter how good their build is they can still screw it up somehow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

If ursan Gets more powerful YOU will be the one who will not find groups.
Everyone with Eotn is going to Pass your ass by because your the weak nub without Ursan to them.
.

I have Eotn, I said earlier I haven't done the quest to get it. But I can tell by your previous comment there are some critical reading skills lacking. Plus, I only do Ursan with my monk in DoA, and Ursans will always need monks

Animalistic Lust · Jan 24, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

well, even when you praise a skill because it allows others to be somewhat useful at the game people attack you. i guess this post offended their sensibilities and btw, ensoriki your entire post was compleltely asinine.

Akolo · Jan 27, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

if you got something that makes the game easier and more fun why do it any other way? lol.. ursan is the reason why i can bare play with pug nowadays btw XD